Public sentiment indicates cautious optimism regarding India's geopolitical re-alignment, particularly with China, alongside skepticism towards the US. Many express a desire for India to pursue stability and forge strong ties within BRICS and neighboring countries, reflecting a blend of national pride and critical views of past Western influences.

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Given their massive population and manufacturing base I feel like it’s impossible for India to not reach great power status at some point unless every Indian leader just continuously fumbles for a century

AlternativeFlight865

India's sheer size gives it great potential. It's ambitions just can't be dismissed as delusions.

That being said, to say it has challenges to overcome would be a massive, massive understatement:  
- It has huge linguistic, religious, and cultural divisions.  
- It's a poor country.  
- It lacks basic infrastructure over significant portions of it's population centers.  
- It's legal system and government bureaucracy is... let's just say lacking.  
- And it's surrounded by large significant hostile powers from pretty much all land routes.

It's internal divisions make the widespread reforms and construction necessary to deal with the teeny-tiny problem of poverty difficult.  
If it's to become greatly influential beyond it's borders it will have to focus it's efforts overseas, which would be an expensive long term investment.

OwlMan_001

I feel like the West cares more about India becoming/not-becoming a 'great power' more than India does itself, lol

India only cares about India, and all power they want is only in regards to what benefits India's control of the Indo-sphere, and prevent their people from starving or being colonized/balkanized again

Ironically tho, just purely based on demographics and expected economic growth alone, India is inevitably going to be a 'great power' in 2050 onwards purely because Chinas population pyramid is going to collapse, while India is still going to grow until about 1.7 billion before stagnating and falling off.

Even if they don't want to, India is going to be forced to be a 3rd 'great power' which is below America/China and used as a counterbalance whether they like it or not. It's not anytime soon, but its inevitable in 30 years

Far_Piglet_9596

American propaganda piece.

This is the agenda of this article:

&gt;New Delhi and Washington then will—indeed, must—continue cooperating in the years ahead.

&gt;But those hoping for a boundless friendship will be disappointed. Despite its weaknesses, India will not settle for any alliance with the United States, and there will be limits on their partnership. That is because India does not want to be part of any collective defense arrangements. Instead, it will zealously guard its nonallied status.

Some very silly statements made too. If China right now, with a GDP of 19$ Trillion is able to ward off the US, with a GDP of 30$ Trillion, then why wouldn't India in 2050 to China and the US? The average of India's growth rate over the last 3 years is about 7.2%.

By almost all estimates and using current growth rates, India should be just over half of China's GDP in 2050, about where China is to the US today, and that's certainly stopped the US from doing a great deal of things.

So why is the picture portrayed differently for India, here?

Where it comes to military capabilities, the author seems to have chosen to also completely forgo the presence of a dampener in the form of the tallest mountain range on Earth separating India and China. As long as that exists, there will never be a time where China can easily invade India. In fact, invading India in itself is akin to putting your hand into a beehive, a guaranteed endless war, where China is at a disadvantage. Heck, Iran's 90M has already dissuaded a ground invasion of Iran....So imagine 1.4 Billion-1.5 Billion.

The author seems to also be projecting their own objectives on the topic - containing China. India has only gotten on-board with this because of China's own attempts of containing India, which is a fruitless endeavor because its quite frankly impossible with the cards it has. The economies of both Bangladesh and Pakistan have nose-dived, one has been in a endless cycle of loans for years and the other has decided to follow that path.

And geographically, India has a huge coastline.

Ultimately, the PRC will have to realise that India is there to stay, even if its 10 or 20 years from now. At that time, it may also realise that yes, India may be a ally to no one, but can also be a friend to everyone, including it.

The only agreeable point is influence. Yes, India is sorely lacking in that department, sure. But even in its past when it used to hold significant percentages of world GDP it was never globally influential. The Mughal Empire never did anything major outside of the subcontinent, for example.

Old-Machine-8000

The focus of the piece is too focused on military and economic power. The real focus should be on the problematic educational system, on the constant brain drain, and the exclusion of women from the work force. China was able to quickly develop once economic reforms took place because they had educated workforce, no cultural limitations regarding the access of women to the labour market, and the Chinese that would go abroad were expected to contribute back not in remittances but in expertise and know how, even if that meant industrial espionage. China also has a very pragmatic approach to the economy, where decisions are not ideological as long as it doesn't undermine the power of the CCP.

leto78

What is it so it India that has westerners a stick up their ass. 

And no one believes an iota of nonsense that the west is there to help it while it’s working on actively harboring and arming Khalistani terrorists and Islamic jihadi country on its brother. 

India knows where it stands and what it needs to do. It’s a poor country with an gdp to &gt;3K usd, so improving the life of a vast majority of its people is what it will strive to do.

Tempredaccount9

India does have great power delusions and the government in charge loves trotting out its collective GDP, which hides the fact that the country is actually poor. But the author is hell bent on hyphenating India with China, something the Indian foreign policy establishment doesn't consider anywhere close to its policy. That is the policy the US wants India to adopt and India is willing to superficially dance on that tune to extract benefits. Indians know very well they are not in any position to be openly hostile with China and the same is for all the asian countries in the US encirclement of China in the Indo Pacific. If the US under Trump really thinks countries like the Phillipines, Vietnam, Japan etc are going to be dragged into a war with China, they are in for a hard surprise. All the countries are playing along while collecting what benefits they can.

The very premise that India has to become a power solely to cointer China for the sake of the US is a myopic American perspective.

BAKREPITO

It's an incredibly stupid article. There is no ambition for India to be a super power or a super power. At best, it can aspire to be a regional power.

theWireFan1983

There’s definitely a pattern of inflated self-image among some Indian netizens—this belief that India is leading the world in everything from tech to morality. But from the outside, a lot of that comes off as tone-deaf or even a bit of a joke.

Pride is one thing, but when it turns into blind nationalism and constant one-upmanship, it stops being impressive and starts looking delusional. 

In my opinions Indians are pretty much the laughing stock of the world

B0ringPudding

No propaganda here. No suspect sentences here. You must realize who the author is before the perspective sinks in.

Written by Ashley J Tellis. An indo-american with a capital A. He says the things India's don't want to hear but also things Americans don't want to hear.

There is an element within the American admin which would like to see India rise to balance China. But there is also an element which keeps Pakistan afloat, let it go nuclear etc. Ashley falls into the first group. He always advocated for the Indian perspective on oil imports from Russia even if while doing so he said India can't be "family" the way Australia and UK are.

But here I feel is reaching, his premise of India not having true friends is irrelevant when no one apart from the Americans have reliable security partners and again only because they need the Americans more than the other way around. Friends come through deep dependencies, India doesn't have those. Maybe Bhutan?

He is imploring India to align with the Americans because be knows it benefits America just as much as India. That's the long and short of it.

SciFiHooked

My 2 cents, our geopolitics before 2014(pm modi's tenure) was handled by top level bureaucrats under parliament,with little to no influence from general public or low level parliamentarians, expect on boarder issues.Current Right wing supporters need a larger than life stance to deviate from any criticism on internal matters.But stll a huge % of people in India will be happy with a 'Non-align' policy.

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NoUnderstanding5881

Stop this money spent on defence for hospital! Tell me which hospital is going to defend against the incoming drones and missiles? 

Wake up from your delusional dream world! The real world is tough! We need the hospital and schools, but at the same time a solid defence against pests like the Porki! 

Jai hind!

I hope Indian mainstream media has lost enough credibility for people to question then even during times of peace.

Deep_Ray

But the airforce is saying the operation sindoor is still ongoing bro. WTH is happening?

MahatmaBapu69

If the nuke thing is true then we were very close to world war

Happiness_Seeker9

A very big win for our military capabilities and indigenous equipments.

okokokre

Tax money should be spent on Defense, not sure what idotic post is this.

Most thinking Indians were disgusted by the way the mainstream media presented hype, fake stories, fake nationalism and panic mongering packaged as news. I had to watch DD News and Firstpost to understand anything at all.

Flaky-Page8721

SlowTax1136

No side is innocent? So terrorists are the same as the Indian state in your book?

Recent-Primary-522

One_Nefariousness145

You forgot one more loser - Chinese and Turkish equipment.

St_ElmosFire

Have we not won the fact with these 2 articles?

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjewen7w192o.amp

Reuters:
Explosions reported after India and Pakistan agree to ceasefire
11 hours ago

Matrix-Agent

We lost 26 people in the terrorist attack, and since the conflict began, many more civilians and army personnel have died.
This whole situation feels like a loss for us. They haven’t officially said anything, and they’re even claiming to have come out victorious.
I expected better from this hyper-nationalist government. It seems they were more focused on saving face in the eyes of the public, and the media played its part by hyping things up.

It was all related to election from having lax security to allow terrorists and to revenge. 

It’s happened more than once to call it coincidence.

Party first, nation second

Ok_Medium9389

Not as simple you make it out to be

Kashmir is the main issue here

Other states that shares borders with Pakistan don't have the same problems

We need to make Jammu a seperate state first then deal with Kashmir

batsid

I wonder if there is still a possibility for India and China to work closely and collaboratively.

Artistic_Expert_550

I think India can’t go with a traditional approach we must use western tactics like supporting Baloch independence through external parties

gunner6376

I hope that the salaried workers that contribute to this wealth generation also get to enjoy this wealth.

Plus_Rest_7664

Yeah right,   
Wait until they introduce reservation in private sector

SufficientPangolin41

I tried of waiting for this 'Indian story' miracle, they claim india will be manufacturing power house, india will be global software capital, now this...

Creative-Paper1007

I'm more worried about china as a competition

With collective force we can achieve greatness

VixorGen

Just getting started? 

We're at peak population because birth rate was highest in the '80 and '90s. The workforce is approaching middle age, and we're just getting started?

So the benefits of that growth will go to a generation that has far fewer than peak, and they'll support a larger number of people who are retired?

sexotaku

Open-Evidence-6536

Whats the point seeing imaginary numbers go up while the working classes life gets worse and worse

ded_nat_313

I think we are ahead in green energy transition than many advanced economies.
Thermal power plants have slowed down construction in recent years.

ProfessionalSkirt589

Who comes up with indices? It seems like it has become stuck to beat down emerging countries.
Given the total oil and plastic consumption, don’t tell me US is above us!

ballerhooper9

MANISH_14

These indexes are biased and not a big deal.. all nation situations are not the same neither pollution nor diversification. We have our own reality and Based on that we are going well at the moment.

WEF - &gt; 100% Renewable Energy = Rank 200

WEF - &gt; 1% Renewable Energy, but Gay = Rank 1

https://www.weforum.org/publications/fostering-effective-energy-transition-2025/in-full/about-the-eti/

More than half the ETI score is just based on feels,  and they don't even mention any quantitative rubric for calculating ETI. Any such index is garbage. 

Countries with less than 25% renewable of total production are in top 20, while countries with 100% renewables are around 100.

andherBilla

Just for the [context](https://m.thewire.in/article/communalism/odisha-tribal-women-tied-to-tree-beaten-up-over-religious-conversion-suspicion/amp) how bad things are in the '94% Hindu state'.

https://preview.redd.it/4tp2wfsb99fe1.jpeg?width=1080&amp;format=pjpg&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=92d4653cf353c1174ca51979ad644383b68fd6be

Negative-Moose-8803

https://preview.redd.it/knmih1nfg9fe1.jpeg?width=200&amp;format=pjpg&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=2aac5b26605e5ab6ed13eea3a4300a6eeaa95f58

Plastic_Practice2491

It's poetic how odisha people showed their gratitude to the party who dragged it towards development.

Which_Cattle_9139

I don't know why I feel like banning these emojis(🤡, ☠️, ✅, ❌, 🚩, 🗿) in India

djtiger99

Because these people don't want development, they want their religion to grow yet they love to compare with china and say India needs dictatorship (AKA Hindu Rashtra) and remove reservation system for development🤡

IndependenceLegal545

I still remember how many people in Odisha were justifying winning of BJP after defeating the party which developed the state in such a level that it had started deserving international recognition. According to these idiots former CM has given power to a Tamil IAS officer who was a pastor (another fake news spread by BJP during their election campaign). BJP even openly mocked South Indians in their Odisha election campaign ads. No wonder a joker has been made the CM of the state after BJP won there and it has become one of the ignored states again. 😏

Sufficient_Visit_645

Religion is the biggest Cancer of the society. BJP will never let this country develop and idiots will still give them the power through votes because of their stupid "Hindutava" ideology.

PilotEffective3968

And the people from Orissa come here to work blue collar jobs and lead a happy life...

saatvik-jacob

PesidentOfErtanastan

Don't worry, they'll be divided by caste eventually.

janshersingh

Fake Hindus only remember their religion when they see someone who isn't a Hindu praying.

PikachuStoleMyWife

Odisha is not underdeveloped lmao. It used to be but its not now. But yes the people are VERY casteist. VERY.

chinchinlover-419

The argument that high levels of religiosity and a high percentage of Hindus lead to low development (e.g., Odisha) while low religiosity and fewer Hindus lead to high development (e.g., Kerala) is flawed. Socio-economic development depends on a range of factors beyond religion or the percentage of religious followers in a population.

#High Religiosity, High Hindu Population, and High Development: Gujarat

	Gujarat has a high percentage of Hindus (89%) and is deeply religious, with festivals like Navratri and Rath Yatra being integral to its culture.
	Despite this, Gujarat is one of the most developed states in India, with high industrial output, robust infrastructure, and significant foreign investment. The state contributes about 8% of India’s GDP and has consistently ranked high in the Ease of Doing Business index.
Religiosity in Gujarat hasn’t hindered development. Instead, good governance, entrepreneurial culture, and industrialization have driven its progress.

#High Hindu Population and Economic Growth: Tamil Nadu

	Tamil Nadu has a high Hindu population (87%) and is culturally rooted in religion, with iconic temples like Meenakshi Amman Temple and Brihadeeswarar Temple attracting global attention.
	Despite being religious, Tamil Nadu is one of India’s most developed states, with a high Human Development Index (HDI), world-class healthcare, and robust industrial and service sectors.
	This disproves the notion that a high Hindu population correlates with underdevelopment.

#Low Hindu Population and Underdevelopment: Bihar

	Bihar has a relatively lower Hindu population (83%) compared to states like Odisha and Gujarat, and it ranks low on religiosity. However, it remains one of India’s least developed states, with high poverty rates and weak infrastructure.
	The state’s challenges stem from poor governance, lack of industrialization, and historical neglect—not from religious demographics.

#Secular or Atheist States and Lack of Development: North Korea#

	North Korea is officially atheist, with religion suppressed under the regime. Despite the absence of religious divisions, the country faces severe poverty, food insecurity, and human rights abuses.
This example shows that the lack of religion or religiosity doesn’t automatically lead to development

VacationMundane7916

Hannibalbarca123456

As an outsider I can only say ur reasoning is bullshit.. You are just considering some 1-2 charts and rankings and that's it.. Differences
1. Kerela - Spice hub of world(Cash crop), Odisha - Rich Biodiversity, essential crop farming that too poor soil condition due to irrigation issues (not talking about man made irrigation)
2. Kerela has ~30% GSP from foreign remittances while Odisha has annual cyclonic problem, natural disaster problem..
3. Kerela is on west coast - known for trade - world's 60% shipping pass from near Kerala coast, enabling private and govt investments while Odisha historically recieved apathy from investments

Tribals aren't really Hindus so those stats are not actually that correct, it's just a "technically".

Religion is not the problem in Odisha. There are millions of reasons why Odisha lags behind, but throwing stats around without logical reasoning is beyond stupid.

I will throw around more stupid stats back at you. 100% of the wars are human caused, we should end humanity to end conflict.

EvilxBunny

Iteems liks e They are proud of illeteracy and poverty

NebulaAltruistic7074

I don't understand. Being a staunch believer of atheism (that there is no god) and then leading on to mockery of a state, just because they chose to not vote for a political party, while the same atheists in another comment says " look how stupid and hero worshipping odia people are, coz they've been electing naveen for 25 yrs".


Get your story line ri8.

Gerupati_raavanaa

OP frustration seems to be coming out of insecurities and his biasses towards a particular party, the sole reason people kick the party out coz you are seeing a party operating over 20 years and just managed to pull it out of poverty and you think thats a big achievement then you need to think bigger. You need to shake out govt and let them realise they are not here forever you need to show some crazy progress unlike announcing stuff and waiting for 10 years. I am not biased towards BJP, i think they have done terrible job communicating and choosing good leaders and they will eventually get flushed out in next term but the race has begun for faster development and you will see why BJD has to lose to make odisha great again.

A state having same govt for decades is usually called as backward states, i want people fighting and working their ass off not a stable govt doing minute improvements over a decades. The world is going accelerate with AGI in coming years, this is not the speed i want.

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No thanks, as an Odia I'd rather stay in an underdeveloped region than seeing it turning into another west bengal. I'm already seeing many bangaladeshis here taking over areas. 
Speak for yourself or go live wherever you want with peacefuls slaughtering cows next to your neighborhood everyday.

SteveRogersXx

Yet per capita income is more than West Bengal.

[Source ](https://www.financialexpress.com/policy/economy-west-bengals-per-capita-income-falls-behind-odishas-eac-pm-paper-3613788/)

And odisha has better transportation than your state.

[Source ](https://urban.odisha.gov.in/node/187632)

And all that without being a slave to Arabs.

hipposSlayer

Still the richest state in Eastern India per capita. The lesser Hindu states are far poorer- including WB, Jharkhand and the rest.

StupendousHuman

outfmymind

Bhai ye sab bol k likes hi milenge desh ka kuch nahi ho payega. Kuch karna hai to actual me karo bhai. Bed pe lete lete post karne ka koi fayda nahi hai. Sachhai hamesha kadwi hoti hai bro. I can understand.

super15388

Shimla is 94% Hindu and is one of the richest district in India. Economy works on business and opportunities not on religion basis.

Remote-Suit3463

I am from odisha and what u said is totally true people here dont even know what reddit is and am talking about a city not even some random place

StormDefiant3726

Respectfully, stfu. And if you can't, present similar facts of different demographic areas as well. WB wants to meet you. Jackass.

SageSharma

Yeah you are right. I also think that 56 muslim countries should let go of their religion so that they can see the real world through development

Glittering-Tell-8963

The fact that 94% of the Odia population is Hindu shouldn't correlate with religion being responsible for underdevelopment.. excuse my ignorance but I don't get the crux of this post.

Brilliant-Promise491

Correlation is not causation, respectfully

Correct_Procedure_21

https://preview.redd.it/i6z53j8660ge1.jpeg?width=1284&amp;format=pjpg&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=64b8fd9788f4acc1d280cbc04c44c1f97220d47c

Okie reposting this stats again. For a separate discussion.

JagDecoded

Why indians comment like this 
🤡💀🗿

fuckthisshit0070

The what will you say about pakistani, 😂🤡

Enough_Actuary6563

You have literally zero idea about the political scenario. So I'd recommend you to stfu.

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